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This is about KDEs special feature of | This is about KDEs special feature of allowing slashes (/) in filenames. | ||
Date: 08/01/17 | Date: 08/01/17 | ||
=The problem= | |||
KDE allows filenames containing a slash (/). | KDE allows filenames containing a slash (/). | ||
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** its not possible to have files containing %2f in the name for whatever reason even if escaped to %%2f then it would not be possible to have a file called like %%2f and be presented like that if not escaped ad %%%2f ...and so on | ** its not possible to have files containing %2f in the name for whatever reason even if escaped to %%2f then it would not be possible to have a file called like %%2f and be presented like that if not escaped ad %%%2f ...and so on | ||
** KDE is not an isolated world. People using it want to communicate to other people and to share files with them. | ** KDE is not an isolated world. People using it want to communicate to other people and to share files with them. | ||
** sending files with "/" in it to other people will always end up as apparently broken filenames on other systems if its not KDE (Gnome, XFCE, CDE, Windows | ** Bad interoperability: sending files with "/" in it to other people will always end up as apparently broken filenames on other systems if its not KDE (Gnome, XFCE, CDE, Windows). This may damage KDE's reputation in a way that people may think that KDE produces broken file(name)s now and then. | ||
** konqueror lists files and has a location bar. It is possible to access files directly through that location bar. Now if there is a file called "foo/bar" (foo%2fbar on disk) and a directory called foo containing a file called bar: what will be selected if a user enters this in the location bar? what will the user expect to hit? Wouldnt that make eval things possible? The same applies to krunner or the file-dialog | ** konqueror lists files and has a location bar. It is possible to access files directly through that location bar. Now if there is a file called "foo/bar" (foo%2fbar on disk) and a directory called foo containing a file called bar: what will be selected if a user enters this in the location bar? what will the user expect to hit? Wouldnt that make eval things possible? The same applies to krunner or the file-dialog. Because of that encoded filenames have to be treated special in some places and produce an inconsistent user experience. | ||
* Krusader shows files as they are on disk (foo%2fbar) | * Krusader shows files as they are on disk (foo%2fbar) | ||
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* KDE is not compatible with linux coreutils (cp,mv,...) if it decodes and encodes filenames in a way that it will confuse people by the fact that files shown by "ls" look differently than files shown by dolphin or konqueror although there are just plain us-ascii characters being used for the filenames. | * KDE is not compatible with linux coreutils (cp,mv,...) if it decodes and encodes filenames in a way that it will confuse people by the fact that files shown by "ls" look differently than files shown by dolphin or konqueror although there are just plain us-ascii characters being used for the filenames. | ||
related bugreports: | |||
=The solution= | |||
=== Marcs solution === | |||
I vote for just removing this feature to prevent all those problems described above and to solve the related bugreports. | |||
=== Davids solution === | |||
I found a much better solution to allow '/' without all this escaping: using a unicode character that looks like a slash but that isn't '/': QChar(0x2044), also known as "FRACTION SLASH".Looks quite nice IMHO: http://web.davidfaure.fr/kde/slash.jpg | |||
Ah... of course there's one downside: if you name a file "http://www.kde.org" you can't copy paste that name into the webbrowser as a URL, since the slashes are not real slashes anymore. Oh well, corner case of the corner case.. | |||
=Related bugreports= | |||
* https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51306 | * https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51306 | ||
* https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100516 | * https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100516 | ||
Latest revision as of 15:57, 21 January 2008
This is about KDEs special feature of allowing slashes (/) in filenames.
Date: 08/01/17
The problem
KDE allows filenames containing a slash (/). Technically it is not possible to have "/" in filenames because "/" is the filesystem path seperator. So KDE encodes filenames and saves the filename like in http URL encoding with "%2f" for every "/".
I am convinced that this behavior is a bad idea and brings a lot of trouble.
I will now try to explain why.
- "/" is not an allowed character in filenames of UNIX filesystems
- AFAICT there is no other known OS or Desktop Environment (DE) that allows this
- "%2f" is a valid filename
- Allowing "/" in filenames brings following problems:
- its not possible to have files containing %2f in the name for whatever reason even if escaped to %%2f then it would not be possible to have a file called like %%2f and be presented like that if not escaped ad %%%2f ...and so on
- KDE is not an isolated world. People using it want to communicate to other people and to share files with them.
- Bad interoperability: sending files with "/" in it to other people will always end up as apparently broken filenames on other systems if its not KDE (Gnome, XFCE, CDE, Windows). This may damage KDE's reputation in a way that people may think that KDE produces broken file(name)s now and then.
- konqueror lists files and has a location bar. It is possible to access files directly through that location bar. Now if there is a file called "foo/bar" (foo%2fbar on disk) and a directory called foo containing a file called bar: what will be selected if a user enters this in the location bar? what will the user expect to hit? Wouldnt that make eval things possible? The same applies to krunner or the file-dialog. Because of that encoded filenames have to be treated special in some places and produce an inconsistent user experience.
- Krusader shows files as they are on disk (foo%2fbar)
- ark shows files as they are in an archive (foo%2fbar)
- users often use the console to manage files in a batch
- KDE is not compatible with linux coreutils (cp,mv,...) if it decodes and encodes filenames in a way that it will confuse people by the fact that files shown by "ls" look differently than files shown by dolphin or konqueror although there are just plain us-ascii characters being used for the filenames.
The solution
Marcs solution
I vote for just removing this feature to prevent all those problems described above and to solve the related bugreports.
Davids solution
I found a much better solution to allow '/' without all this escaping: using a unicode character that looks like a slash but that isn't '/': QChar(0x2044), also known as "FRACTION SLASH".Looks quite nice IMHO: http://web.davidfaure.fr/kde/slash.jpg
Ah... of course there's one downside: if you name a file "http://www.kde.org" you can't copy paste that name into the webbrowser as a URL, since the slashes are not real slashes anymore. Oh well, corner case of the corner case..